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LinkedIn is NOT a Dating App: Etiquette and Boundaries on Social Media

Because I specialise in sex, intimacy and relationships, my social media content is often all about sex. My profile headshot is considered sexy by some because my cleavage is visible. My bios clearly state that I am a coach, a therapist, an educator, a writer, a speaker, and a media host. I listen, talk and write for a living. Despite these clear descriptions, every day I receive personal and blatantly sexual messages on all of my social media accounts. I get the most inappropriately blatant messages on LinkedIn.

The written messages are annoying. The unsolicited pictures of penises and vulvas are infuriating. I don’t know many people who like to receive genital pictures from total strangers. Not many folks enjoy getting full-body nudes from strangers when they haven’t requested the picture on social media or anywhere else. I am resilient, so the impact of these messages and photos is minor and quickly disappears. For people who are less accustomed to receiving this type of social media message, people who have been traumatised, and people who suffer from anxiety, the impact is often intense and lasts for days.

Most of these messages come from men. I have spent time thinking about why these men believe that their behaviour is appropriate and what they are trying to achieve. When I am feeling charitable, I think they simply have forgotten their basic manners or their impulse control has temporarily failed. After all, when people are on the internet or on social media, they can be anonymous, and when anonymous believe that there are no consequences for their behaviour. They can also feel safe behind a computer, pad or phone screen. If there is a negative reaction to what they send or post, they simply disappear. They don’t have to engage with the person they are intruding upon.

When I am feeling less charitable, I see these men as bullies. They are seeking to shock, upset, degrade and objectify. They don’t care about consent, have no boundaries and no empathy. They want their needs met, and they want them met now, on their terms and without any reference to the needs of anyone else. These are the same people who regularly gaslight others. If confronted on their behaviour, they tell the recipient that it was just a joke or that it is no big deal and that they should relax.

Women also engage in this type of behaviour but in my experience less often. It may be that men on the receiving end of pictures of a stranger’s vulva or tits in their social media inboxes are not offended. I suspect it doesn’t feel as objectifying or bullying. In my clinical work, the complaints made by men and women who are targeted by women are usually about stalking behaviour including multiple messages, following on all social media accounts and anywhere else they can find the person. The action is different, but it still violates consent and boundaries.

Here are a few choice examples of social media private messages sent to me on LinkedIn:

This one was sent out of the blue with no previous introduction when I accepted a connection (friend) request.

‘Good Morning in (name of country) now Dr Lori Beth, thank you accepting my invitation. Personally I Love Fingered my arse, then Fornicate my Arse Deep & Hard! I plan to marry a Transsexual!’

What’s wrong with that approach? To start, I have not consented to hear about his desires at all, let alone in detail. He is not my client. He is not a friend. He is not even an acquaintance. Even on a dating app, this would be considered a lack of consent. He assumes that by being on any social media platform, being a sex & intimacy coach, writing about sex & relationships, I am consenting to hear about the details of anyone’s sex life. It also illustrates an entire lack of boundaries. He is either unable or unwilling to consider what it is appropriate to say to someone on a social media platform devoted to business and work relationships. Honestly, this would be inappropriate on any social media platforms and dating apps, but it is even more inappropriate on LinkedIn.

This one sent after I accepted a connection request – I have had many of this type.

‘Hello you are a sexy lady. How are you?’

And this one, again when I accepted a connection request:

😘😘😘

Both of these illustrate a common assumption that women enjoy being flattered by random strangers. In some ways, it is akin to construction workers whistling at a woman as she is walking down the street. Many women don’t mind that type of flattery. It doesn’t intrude much because the men are at a distance. These social media messages and images are far more intrusive. On a social media platform where a woman is showcasing her professional skills and expects to be interacting with professional peers, the objectification inherent in this approach is even more apparent and either annoying or upsetting or both.

Then there is this type of message: After telling me he needs some help:

‘Will you show me how to make an orgasm? You are so sexy.’

Since I describe how I help people regularly on social media, I don’t see these messages as misunderstandings about how I work. These people lack boundaries and have poor impulse control.

And finally, I get lots of messages from men who want ‘to get to know me’. These aren’t blatantly sexual, but they have nothing to do with seeking help, or peer relationships or business of any kind. They are purely social messages from strangers who have connected to me solely for social reasons. They speak about wanting to form friendships. In some of these messages, it is clear that they want to create some sort of romantic or sexual connection. These men have enough impulse control to be cautious in their approach. These are not people who I have been talking to in a group or who I interacted with in public on LinkedIn. These are men who request a connection and then when it is accepted attempt to start a social or romantic relationship immediately.

I am sure that there are some women who do not mind this type of advance on LinkedIn or other social media; however most of the women I have spoken with find this extremely irritating. We are not on LinkedIn to find partners, date or find husbands or wives. We are on LinkedIn for our businesses or to find a new job or to keep up with work-related topics in our fields. These messages and requests take time precious time away from our days, even if we are only deleting them.

How should you approach someone on social media if you are interested in them?

If you are on LinkedIn, don’t. That isn’t what people are there for. If you think this person is your soul mate, follow them on other social media and talk with them in public until you get to know them better.

Always start by talking in public and watch the tone of your conversation. Don’t make assumptions based on the person’s images or their social media bios that they will welcome connection with anyone they don’t already know. Flirtatious banter is fine when you have already made a connection with someone, but blatantly sexual banter is rarely appropriate with someone you barely know. If you have never had a private conversation, making sexual suggestions is beyond rude and intrusive – in public or in private.

Don’t overshare. Most people don’t want to know the details of your sexual desires unless they are your lovers (or you and they have agreed to compare desires to see if you might be compatible). I guarantee you that sex therapists, sex & intimacy coaches, relationship therapists, and clinical sexologists don’t want to know the details of your proclivities if you are not in a professional consultation (which means you have to book an appointment and expect to pay for the meeting).

Don’t make assumptions. Jerry Belson coined the phrase ‘Never ASSUME because when you ASSUME you make an ASS out of U and ME’ in 1973 in a script for the Odd Couple (season 3, ‘My Strife in Court’). This remains true. Don’t make assumptions period. No matter how open and familiar someone is in their posts, this does not mean they want to be free and familiar with you. An open style in posting is not an invitation for you to contact a professional for social reasons.

If you don’t know how to set and keep healthy boundaries, learn them. Boundaries are the lines we draw in our relationships with others that let them know what we are willing to share with them (information, affection, parts of ourselves, intimacy). Boundaries also let others know what kind of behaviour is acceptable. When we say that someone doesn’t have good boundaries, we often mean that they are not able to make sound judgements about what they should keep to themselves (information or behaviour) in each situation. This type of boundary is a self-boundary. When we talk about setting boundaries, we mean drawing that line in the relationship with another.

Why are boundaries important? Boundaries allow us to feel safe to have relationships with others. They allow us to feel comfortable in our interactions that our feelings won’t be trampled upon, that we can be ourselves without fear of judgement, that someone won’t act without our consent. Dr Meg-John Barker, in an interview with Allure Magazine, says this ‘Most of us were brought up in families where we were made to eat food we didn’t like, to receive hugs and kisses we didn’t want, to pretend to enjoy presents or entertainments that didn’t feel good to us. Most of us went to schools where the expectation was that we would learn what we were taught was important rather than what we enjoyed….. We were also probably taught to mistrust and/or hide certain important emotional responses like anger, sadness and fear: that we shouldn’t feel those things or that we should pretend we didn’t’. As a result, we have not learned to identify our wants, needs, feelings and responses and value them enough to set boundaries in keeping with these. Love Uncommon writes on self-consent, which is a great place to start learning boundaries as an adult (thank you to Dr Meg-John Barker for the suggestion).

Pretend that you are meeting someone in person instead of on the internet or social media. Ask yourself if you would introduce yourself or start a conversation in this way if you met the person face to face in real life before you send that message, picture or make that comment. In case this isn’t clear: Would you flash your penis or your breasts at a random attractive person in the street?

Apply the relative test before you send or post. How would you feel if your sister, mother, wife, best friend – any person of any gender you love receives what you are about to send? Do you think they would be happy about receiving a comment, question, or request like this? Would they enjoy receiving a picture of a stranger’s penis? If you answer honestly, you won’t take that approach.

If you only take away one thought from this article, please make it this: Unsolicited non-consensual sexual requests, messages, innuendo and images make you look like a wanker. Don’t be a wanker.

12 January 2020/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth

Authority Based Relationships, Polyamory, Spice it Up, Kink, BDSM & Power Exchange

Structuring Polyamorous Relationships: Can We Really Remove Hierarchy?

In the 21^stcentury, all varieties of consensual nonmonogamy have become trendy. From Cosmopolitanto The New York Timesto The Guardianarticles and exposés about polyamory abound. Over and over, I read about the best ways and even the right way to do nonmonogamy and polyamorous relationships.

As a sex & intimacy coach and a psychologist therapist who works with individuals, couples and polyamorous groups, I have spent the past 30+ years helping people to find, construct, create and maintain all sorts of relationship combinations and structures including polyamorous relationships. As I person who practices polyamory and has practiced ethical nonmonogamy in one form or another since I was 17 and on occasion, unethical nonmonogamy (otherwise known as cheating), I have an insiders view of nonmonogamy as well and I can tell you unequivocally: There is no one true way to practice polyamory or nonmonogamy of any kind. Each relationship is as individual as a lip print because each individual is unique.

When I was 17, I had no language to talk about polyamorous relationships. My first polycule (all the people in relationship with one or more members of the group), was made up of 3 permanent members and a fourth rotating membership depending upon who I was dating at the time. We didn’t know we were creating a polycule. We didn’t even know we were practicing consensual nonmonogamy. Initially, we reluctantly formed a triad because the both women did not wish to give up their relationships with the solo man. The relationship between the women grew strong though not often sexual. We formed a polyfidelitous triad at first and then, I was encouraged to bring in a second male to the polycule. The other woman in the relationship was more comfortable when I had another man to relate to besides her live-in partner. I was the person allowed to be involved sexually with others and encouraged to bring appropriate dates/partners home.

If D had been asked to describe the structure of our relationship, she would have said that she was J’s primary partner and I was his secondary partner. Chances are, J and I would have agreed. To her, it was important that it was clear that she was the person to whom J gave priority. Her needs and wants came before mine. We all accepted that this was necessary in order for the triad to function well. At that time, I would have described my relationship with the two of them as my primary relationship and any other polyamorous relationships as secondary as I prioritise time with them over dating others.

Later in life, I took the role of the secondary a number of times and found this difficult at times and wholly fulfilling at others. For me, having a hierarchy highlighted how time and responsibilities were prioritised. It had nothing to do with how much love and commitment existed in my relationships.

The other factor in how my polyamorous relationships were structured, was and remains my involvement in power exchange/ authority transfer relationships. These are by nature hierarchical. In all power exchange dynamics, someone is leading and someone is following. Someone commands and the other obeys. Someone holds the authority and/or power and the other surrenders authority and/or power.

You cannot take the hierarchy out of power exchange dynamics. When people are in power exchange dynamics and also in polyamorous relationships, there will always be hierarchy. The amount and strength of the hierarchy may vary but it will always be there. For some people, this is not a problem at all. For others, hierarchy is seen as inherently either problematic or even bad.

It is currently popular in polyamorous circles to criticise anyone who sees their relationships as hierarchical or who organises their relationships in a hierarchical manner. People frequently say things like ‘Love has no hierarchy’ and ‘All polyamorous relationships should be equal.’ Many polyamorous people become vexed at the mention of prioritising one relationship over another. Using the terms ‘primary’ and ‘secondary’ can get a person excluded from some polyamorous groups.

Yet almost all relationships are organised in hierarchies. We may not openly admit it but we all prioritise our relationships and our time. We cannot help but do this. I may love equally but I cannot honestly say that I would give equal weight to the needs of the partner I see four times a year and the husband who shares my bills, my home and looks after me when I am ill even if both relationships involve a lifetime commitment. The responsibilities in each relationship are different. If my husband and my lover both expressed a need for me to be with them on a particular day, it is likely that I would prioritise my husband as long as the needs were equivalent.

Let’s consider an example:

My husband is having surgery on 4^thDecember.

My lover is moving house on 4^thDecember and would like my help.

My priority would be my husband.

If it were my husband who was moving house (assuming I was not) and my lover who was having surgery, I would negotiate to be with my lover if possible as having surgery is a weightier need.

But what if we are looking at simply choosing who to spend holidays with:

Both my husband and my lover want to spend my birthday with me. If they don’t agree to do it all of us together, I would see my husband as having priority – even if we were not in a power exchange dynamic – because my responsibility to him is higher. This gets even more complicated when we have more than one or two polyamorous relationships.

Part of the reason that it has become de rigueur to insist that all relationships should be equal is that jealousy can be such an intense issue around perceived inequality. Quite a few of my clients have brought in problems with managing the division of holidays, time, activities and often social media posting because one or more partners are unhappy unless everything is ‘completely equal’. In reality, it is often not only impossible to divide things completely equally but not desirable either. Partners who do not live with each other don’t often want an equal share of the dull stuff. They don’t want to split household chores, or other monotonous tasks like budgeting, car maintenance, errands for work. They want an equal share of the fun stuff – holidays, nights out, attending work ‘do’s, date nights and weekends, birthdays, Thanksgiving/Christmas/New Year’s/Easters, summertime, winter breaks etc.

How does the person who is doing the errands, caretaking and the other mundane stuff feel about equally splitting the fun time but not the responsibilities and the other things that often form the day to day pattern of a committed long term relationship? Usually not so happy, in my experience. I frequently hear ‘Why should I give up half of my holiday time with my wife/husband/significant other to their other lover when that lover isn’t paying part of the bills or sharing taking my person to medical appointments or looking after the dog?’

When a dominant/submissive or power exchange dynamic is added into the mix, this becomes even more complex. By its nature, a power exchange dynamic is hierarchal. Therefore the person who is in the dominant position is the one who ultimately has the control over all the relationships the person in the submissive position forms if the power exchange/ authority transfer relationship is a full time (24/7) relationship. In this case, the only person with agency is the one in the dominant position.

I have written about this model of non-monogamy and polyamorous relationships before and called it the loaner model or in my case, the time share model of non-monogamy. I am in a 24/7 power exchange /authority transfer relationship with my husband who is my owner. As my owner, he is the one who has the agency and authority to control any other sexual, BDSM, or romantic relationship that I have because I have surrendered authority for all aspects of my life to him. I am in two other relationships at the present time. My husband says I am a time share because each of my other partners have a number of weeks per year with me. They are literally granted a share of my time based on their desires and my husband’s agreement to grant these desires. Should it no longer suit my husband for me to have a relationship with someone or for me to spend that amount of time per year with someone, he has the right to change or end any agreement.

Some people who practice polyamory have been horrified by my description of the non-monogamy that we practice because the hierarchy is extremely clear. There is very definitely inequality between my relationships. There is no inequality in how I feel about my other partners. I love all of them. There is inequality in how much time I spend, whose needs get priority, and where my responsibilities lie. All parties consent to this arrangement and on that basis, why should anyone be judgemental?

In addition, when I break down how they divide their time, decide who gets what priority in any given situation, hierarchies are illuminated even in the relationships of the people I have met who are most adamant that there should be no hierarchies in polyamory. Though this surprises them, it doesn’t surprise me in the least. It is nigh on impossible to divide time equally between a number of people even with the best will in the world. Life doesn’t present us with equal challenges. We have a wide variety of blessings and challenges and though our love is infinite our time and energy are finite. Ultimately, we have to make choices. If we are hell bent on creating total equality, we will end up spending an inordinate amount of time working to do this. And we spend an inordinate amount of energy judging people for having hierarchies in their non-monogamous relationships.

In my experience, a better way to expend the energy and spend the time is on creating rich loving relationships that meet as many needs as possible, looking at where needs intersect and how we can balance our relationships in ways that responsibilities, needs and wants are as in balance in each individual relationship. The less time we spend comparing within our relationships, the better. Increasing our communication skills, including our negotiation skills is a better use of our time. Learning how to identify our own needs and differentiate them from wants is paramount as well to creating balanced relationships.

Why is it fashionable to trash hierarchies where ever they are found? Perhaps looking to larger mainstream culture and politics may give us answers. Hierarchies are often seen as binary: Rich/poor, good/bad though they actually run primary, secondary, tertiary. There are many levels not just two. If we are able to keep this in mind and also recognise that there are multiple hierarchies in any given set of relationships – different priorities at different times for different events, activities, contexts, then maybe the reality of the hierarchies in our lives will no longer be seen as negative. Instead we can look at them as simple structures that enable us to order our lives and relationships so that it is easier to find and maintain balance.

18 April 2019/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth

Authority Based Relationships, Blog, Polyamory, Q&A, Relationship issues, Spice it Up, Kink, BDSM & Power Exchange

Non-Monogamy and Hierarchical Relationships: From Polyamory to Owner Loaner Model

Polyamorous relationships come in an infinite number of configurations. For more about how different open relationships might look including an owner loaner relationship, you can find one of my articles hereand a seriesof podcasts here.

D/s relationships are ones in which dominance and submission are the primary feature. D/s relationships are authority transfer based relationships because the submissive gives authority over part or all of their lives to the dominant. Full time authority transfer based relationships are Master (Mistress)/slave or Owner/property or Daddy/boi/girl or Mommy/boi/girl.

Some D/s relationships involve bondage and discipline or sadism and masochism but others do not. The feature of the relationship which turns both parties on is the power exchange (authority transfer). One person is in charge and the other agrees to submit to their rule. Submission can be part time, sexually only for example, or it can be full time (e.g. in all aspects of the relationship). D/s relationships often have clear structures, with rituals, rules and expectations all spelled out. Many people who engage in them gain pleasure from all of these aspects. The submissives enjoy giving up control and being led by someone else. The dominants enjoy the control over their partners, having someone do as they desire. This is a simplistic description of what both parties might get out of the relationship. For more on these relationships, listen to this seriesof podcastsfrom Sex Spoken Hereand D is for Dominant from the A to Z of Sex ®podcast.

D/s relationships can be very straightforward or very complex. Some include significant role play as well as the exchange of power. There are marriages that work on these principles as well as long term living together relationships. However, it can be difficult to maintain these roles when living with someone full time especially if the person who is in the submissive role is dominant in the outside world (at work, within the household, the main bread winner). As a result, in some relationships, the D/s aspects become watered down which often leads to dissatisfaction on the part of both parties.

A solution to managing this dissatisfaction is to make sure that there is specific time set aside for D/s. As long as this is a substantial enough amount of time and it is ringfenced so that the rest of life does not intrude, this will work for many relationships.

One solution to this situation is to consider opening up the relationship. A couple can agree to engage in D/s play with other partners and not each other or with other partners and still engage with each other. Deciding who will do what with whom can require some intricate negotiation. When done properly, this is a great solution that increases everybody’s enjoyment and fulfilment.

One issue that arises is the need for a person to have agency and autonomy to create and manage multiple relationships. When one is in a hierarchical relationship, the person who is in the dominant role is the one who is in charge. If that person is giving authority over what relationships their partner can form, then the submissive does not have the agency to form additional relationships or continue them. Non-monogamous relationships for people in hierarchical relationships can look different depending up on if their hierarchical relationship is full time or part time. Non-monogamy in part-time D/s relationships can run the gamut from simple dating through to relationship anarchy to polyamorous arrangements.

Myra and Robin were involved in a D/s relationship for 10 years before they moved in together. Both are high powered business women, running their own companies for over a decade each. They met at a Women in Business event and the connection was instant. They quickly discovered that they lived in the same state. Their first date highlighted their desires. Myra quickly took control and Robin revelled in her submission. They talk each day and meet each weekend to spend time together. Their relationship grows and deepens and finally they decide to move in together.

At first things work well. Weekends are the time that they set aside for the D/s side of their relationship. During the week they look like any other couple living together. Robin sometimes finds it difficult giving up control on the weekend, especially on weeks where she is travelling for work. But things are still working and they are both still happy together. After 6 months living together, Myra decides to take a sabbatical. She is working on a book and needs the time to write. They agree that Robin will be the main bread winner for those 6 months. This is when the D/s relationship truly begins to break down.

The women came to see me when Robin found it too difficult to submit to Myra. They were both upset by this change and were motivated to look at how they could make sure their relationship would survive and thrive. After 4 coaching sessions, Robin raised the issue of opening the relationship. She proposed that they both seek to create a D/s relationship with someone else. At first Myra was resistant to this idea, concerned that they would lose one of the best facets of their relationship. After some negotiation, they decided to choose partners for each other and were clear about the limitations. They decided to restrict the relationship to D/s in the bedroom. After a few false starts, they found situations which suited both of them. After a month of exploring new D/s relationships, they told me the spark had come back between them and they left coaching. In this situation, they were each involved in negotiation and setting the limits of other relationships.

In relationship anarchy, relationships are not bound by rules set by society or culture but are only bound by rules set by the people involved. In relationship anarchy, hierarchy between relationships is avoided. This can cause issues when a relationship is hierarchical depending upon whether that relationship includes control over other relationships. However, if this is not the case, then relationship anarchy starts with putting yourself first and then being very deliberate about your relationships – making conscious choices about them at all time.

In full time D/s relationships, the person in charge is also often in charge of whether there are other relationships as well. Because of this, the person who is in the submissive role does not have the agency to begin, continue, or end relationships with others. All relationships are had with the permission of the dominant. One dominant woman I know talks of being an owner and therefore loaning out property rather than her slaves having separate autonomous relationships with others.

In the ‘Owner Loaner’ Model, the owner sets the rules for the other relationships that their property might have. The owner may do all of the negotiation, be an integral part of the negotiation or give the property the details about what is acceptable and allow them to do the negotiation. No matter how the negotiation is organised, the owner is the one who is giving permission, not the property. Morloki describes this as a ‘Time Share Model’ where the other interested parties can ‘request regular rental weeks during the year. Chosen family rentals can be had with special terms’.

If other relationships are not included in the hierarchal relationship, then the other relationships are negotiated directly and terms are agreed between the participants only. Each relationship has rules about other relationships, whether it is hierarchical or not.

For some this raises issues about consent. In this type of relationship organisation, the owner gains the consent of the property to loan them to others and the parameters of any loan (and therefore any other relationship), are negotiated between owner and property. The owner then restricts the terms of any loan to those the property has consented to as part of their relationship agreement (owner loaner model). Property can still withdraw consent at any time and this is made clear to any other playmate or partner during negotiations. Property cannot agree to extend the terms of a loan relationship. This is negotiated with the owner.

Jeff and Cindy are in a full time Owner/property relationship. At the beginning of their relationship, they negotiated the possibility of other partners – intimate partners, emotionally intimate partners, play only partners – as part of their long term relationship. A few years into their relationship, Cindy met Larissa. Jeff negotiated with Larissa to loan Cindy to her for a full BDSM relationship including sexual contact. Jeff prefers an owner loaner model and that relationship worked well for two years until Cindy felt that Larissa was no longer meeting her needs as agreed to at the beginning of the relationship. She spoke with Jeff about this in detail and Jeff ended the relationship as he felt that this was simply causing stress for Cindy (his property). In this case, Cindy spoke with Larissa first and said that she wanted to end the relationship. When Larissa didn’t take this well, Jeff stepped in to make sure it was ended properly and with as little rancour as possible. Three years later, Cindy’s first love got in touch with her. She asked Jeff if she could see Bob and also if she could see where a relationship with Bob might go. Jeff agreed to the date and when it went well, he agreed to loan Cindy to Bob for an emotionally and sexually intimate relationship for an indefinite period of time. Two years later, the relationship continues.

In some M/s or O/p relationships, the dominant partner will introduce other people into the relationship on specific occasions. When this is the case, it will have been agreed between the parties when they set out the terms of their relationship. Josh likes to bring people home to have sex with Jeremy, his long term slave. The people he brings home are really clear as to who is in charge and what the rule are.

Some people become polyamorous because they discover an interest in dominance and submission and want to enter authority transfer or D/s relationships but their partners have little interest in exploring with them. They choose to open their relationships. In my experience many of these relationships are poly monogamous relationships. For more on poly monogamy see my article here. These relationships can work well however couples need to communicate well and negotiate extremely well in order for them to do so. Coaching helps couples learn the communication and negotiation skills needed to create exciting and well-functioning poly monogamous relationships.

It is currently trendy to avoid hierarchy when it comes to relationships, particularly in the non-monogamous community. Hierarchical relationships can be extremely exciting and satisfying whether they are part time (D/s) or full time (M/s, O/p). For people who have multiple relationships that include one or more hierarchical relationships, the relationships can look like ordinary polyamorous relationships where all relationships are separately agreed and negotiated and maybe even equal when it comes to time and attention or they can be owner loaner relationships where the Master/Owner/Dominant is loaning out the slave/property/submissive to the people with whom they have other relationships. Consent and negotiating boundaries is more complex when D/s and non-monogamy are mixed and more time may be needed to get relationships off the ground, but these relationships can be very exciting and fulfilling in the short and long term.

Want to learn more about the DS in BDSM, non-monogamy and combining the two? Sign up for a discovery session with me hereor email loribeth@drloribethbisbey.com

11 March 2019/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth

Blog, Polyamory, Q&A, Relationship issues

The Monogamy Hangover®: The Result of Succumbing to Relationship Myths and Trends

5 February 2019/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth

Authority Based Relationships, BDSM & Power Exchange, Podcast

Sex Spoken Here: Mason deRou

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Welcome to my virtual therapy room! I am Dr Lori Beth Bisbey and this is Sex Spoken Here. Remember that this podcast deals with adult themes so if you don’t have privacy you might wish to put on your headphones. This week I am interviewing Mason deRou. This is part one of a two part interview.

Master Mason deRou is a primal Master who began his walk into the public kink scene in 2009.

He has dominion over Miss Kimi deRou and together they form La Maison deRou. Mason deRou is also the commander of La Meute de Rougaroux (the Rougarou Pack). He is a uniform fetishist, pony trainer, erotic photographer and also loves the littles. Mason leverages his relative y9outh to build bridges among several kinky tribes and subcultures, allowing the voices of both past and current generations of kinksters to be heard. Mason has presented at BESS, Black Rose, CLUE, Weekend Reunion and several MaST chapters. Mason is the president of the Master-Dominant Consortium and is one of the founding members of the Leather Houses of Color Coalition. He is a member of MAsT DC Pan and MAsT Washington and is also an alumnus of the MTTA Academy (Master Training XX). Mason resides in southern Maryland.

Mason deRou starts talking about education by talking about structure and we spend some time talking about the military and what structure looks like in the military.

He goes on to say that he follows the power.

He looks for the people who are in authority. He spoke about the fact that someone was telling him that when people had to start from the bottom to be a Master if you have that policy you never run out of bottoms. He spoke of always wanting to know the why. We talk about the end result but not what started it. We need discernment skills to not take stuff at face value and the critical thinking. Mason deRou says that in the military they think between the boxes not outside the box. He wishes that people would think that way so we would not have the petty arguments that don’t matter. He says military people know how to act – they have a code that will get them through the day. Step 1 learn to critical think and step 2 is to learn discernment – to choose to use this.

Mason deRou asks do we really want accountability?

He says that the problem with a call out culture around consent violations and perceived bad behaviour is that people can’t discern – was it a mistake, was it a bad decision, was it someone just not caring, was it someone being an ass? Responses generally come from your own experience and lots is not put out in public. People often don’t discern they respond to personality instead – or cliques. People respond the best way they know how but they don’t have enough information. There is always some crucial piece that doesn’t make it online. Given that – we don’t want to call people out because discernment is a problem – we cannot decide as a group – there is not enough discernment to say as a group – this person made a mistake and have apologised and made amends versus this person is an asshole and just does it all the time.

We moved from here to talk about risk management and risk assessment.

We talk about SSC (safe sane consensual) but a lot of stuff I do ain’t safe or sane and if we take this view we will risk manage better. A lot of us are adrenalin junkies – all this stuff is risky. It is not that someone is purposely doing something. We have to be able to take responsibility and risk assess and risk manage. Mason deRou and I talked further about consent and the fact that we can’t even talk about proper informed medical consent.

We moved to talk about litigiousness and liability. Mason deRou said if we took that track about a lot of what we do – we probably wouldn’t do half of the stupid things we do.

Can the person even give consent? Are they in an impaired state of mind? Mason points out that lots of endorphins can produce an impaired state of mind and therefore the person can’t give consent. And people get upset when you bring this up because you are messing with their fun. Just because you risk assess doesn’t mean you don’t do something – you acknowledge the risk, list the reasons it is crazy and then make a decision if you are going to go ahead as well. Mason points out that when you make an error you have to be accountable and give a genuine apology and make amends. You have to have some credibility with yourself when that happens so when you do that to someone, they are more apt to be willing to hear you out. Can still make the choice but everyone has to know what they are getting into. There is a difference between playing with someone you know and pick up play – where you just met someone. We talked about making bad choices versus blaming others. Who had the ultimate responsibility for the scene? The top has the responsibility for the scene. If you don’t want it, don’t take the responsibility.

Mason deRou gave a shout out to Black Rose who do a BDSM 101 where people can talk to people and learn without being able to play.

Gateway.

BESS in Baltimore.

Mason deRou says you are at the whim of what you can find in your local area. I say that I am putting together of an archive of basic topics because of interviewing people over time. Lots more of an online presence for information where you can Q & A. Mason says the second part of what we need is an enforcement to see if people have been to a basic course so they have the basic skills and required people to have a card to show this order to play at a local dungeon. If we invested in not moving if you can’t prove that someone has knowledge. We are only willing to accept a certain level of risk. People need to invest in the basic skills – communication and negotiation skills. Of course that does involve work and Mason says some people don’t want to work.

The best place to find Mason deRou

At an event. If you are out and about in Washington DC I’ve been at the Crucible, I’ve been to BESS. Online Mason deRou on Facebook and on Fetlife LeRougaroux. There is a group LeRougaroux’s Den with lots of readings. You can follow without sending a friend request.

Thanks for joining me for Sex Spoken Here with Dr Lori Beth Bisbey. This week we talked about consent, risk assessment, the importance of education in BDSM and how the community polices itself and the problems with this. If any of this triggered you, please write me at drbisbey@drloribethbisbey.com and I will help you to find resources.

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15 November 2018/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth

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Master Black Zeus

Welcome to my virtual therapy room! I am Dr Lori Beth Bisbey and this is Sex Spoken Here. Remember that this Vlog deals with adult themes so if you don’t have privacy you might wish to put on your headphones.

This is part 2 of my interview with Master Black Zeus. Part one can be found on the A to Z of Sex podcast, Z is for Black Zeus.

I had the opportunity interview Master Black Zeus during Master Slave Conference 2018. He is a community elder who entered the leather community in 1986 when he was mentored and introduced into the community by a gay leatherman who he rode motorcycles with. Like many who engage in BDSM and/or are part of the leather community, he began his journey anonymously so as not to cause problems in his daily life. He entered the public scene in 1997 by joining Black Rose and attending a number of classes and events. He developed a website and began to host regular online educational events. He is a member of MAsT Las Vegas and hosts the ISA Network video conferences.

We continued our conversation by talking about the differences between D/s and M/s relationships. He talks about teaching power exchange (PE) versus total power exchange (TPE) and also talks about erotic power exchange which is solely for the erotic potential of the exchange.

We spoke about the models coming into BDSM, kink and leather. We spoke about the fact that lots of things get eroticised because of the authority transfer. So that some service activities become erotic because they are part of the service.

Master Black Zeus says that it is important to talk about more than kink when talking BDSM and that we are talking about relationship building. He talked about the fact that there was a big thing made in his local community when they found out that he played with men. He went on to say that being a dominant and a sadist, he can enjoy playing with people of all genders. I point out that often times sexual orientation doesn’t enter into this because it is all about the dominance and submission, about the sadism and masochism and that means you can play with someone who is not of your usual preferred orientation or gender.

The conversation turned round to respect, relationships, consent and HIV. We talked about sexual health and the importance of knowing about your sexual health status. We spoke about the illusion that PREP means there is no epidemic anymore. We spoke about all the other diseases that are around and how important regular sexual health screening is.

We finished by talking about what is important if you are going to engage in a BDSM lifestyle. We talked about the fact that we all make mistakes and apologising and learning from mistakes is essential. No one is perfect.

Thanks for joining me this week for Sex Spoken Here with Dr Lori Beth Bisbey.

Write to me with suggestions for the show, questions you want answered at drbisbey@drloribethbisbey.com, follow me on twitter and instagram @drbisbey.

For a free 30 minute strategy session with me, go to https://drloribethbisbey.com and head to the contact page and click the button that says Schedule Now!

I look forward to seeing you next week

12 October 2018/0 Comments/by Dr Lori Beth